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, i do buy it. there's been significant movement to romney, particularly if you look at polls over the last two weeks, and look. i think the significance is a month ago i would have been and was one of the people saying the three-two-one strategy was in deep jeopardy of indiana, north carolina, and virginia going for romney. north carolina moving to lean romney is going in the right direction. now, ohio being a tossup which i agree with after i put it in the lean obama area. it's now a legitimate toss up. you put all that together and the 3-2-1 strategy that the romney campaign was aiming at to win the electoral college is now back in place and back in play. >> bret: carl, what about ohio? >> look, it's a tossup state, both private and public apology showing the state moving from lean obama to a sheer tossup state, and not only that, we're seeing this in other battleground states that does not change status. virginia went from down tw two-point lead to tied. colorado went from a two-point lead for obama to a one-point lead for romney. the critical state of florida went from a two-p

. >> that's not true. the polls are showing that mitt romney is getting a significant boost. frankly, if the president is going to say, we need to stay the course with a stagnant economy, that's know going to be a wiping message, if governor romney continues to say, hey, i have a plan to make the economy recover faster. >> i guess, you are right that mitt romney had a plan that he is talking about. but the problem is that he is saying stuff that he is not backing up. >> he has a five-point plan -- >> excuse me. i did not interrupt you. do not interrupt me. the five-point plan has no substance, no basis. it has nothing to back it up. i being have a five-point plan i. that's not true -- >> how's mitt romney -- >> we are talking about job creation. >> eric: wait a minute, julie. >> the president doesn't have a plan. he is triing to say, let's stay the course. if you want to tout mediocrity in a stagnant economy, that's fine. the voters know we can do better. and mitt romney is saying, unlike the president, particularly with obamacare, i am principled but practical and i want to work across part

about haven't changed. >>> numerous polls have changed, though. they show a clear surge for mitt romney nationally and critical swing states. in a separate issue the bad debate performance was he was quote, too polite. that is your 5@5:00. >> the wait suspect finally over and tonight is the night for the vice presidential debate between joe biden and paul ryan. this is one so many of us have been looking forward to. this shows romney ryan surge after the first presidential debate is taking place. peter doocy is live with more on this. >>> you are right. the romney ryan ticket road the debate performance to the lead in the latest fox news poll of likely voters. before the debate the massachusetts governor and current wisconsin congressman trailed the president and vice president 43-48. they were down 5. now they are up one. the lead is even larger with critical independent voters. romney ryan were down 4 to romney biden but now they were up 12 with 44 percent with democratic side 32 percent. another key number are the voters were unsure they want somebody else. that number shot up

the first presidential showdown. according to the "fox news poll" the romney ryan ticket got a boost jumping three points while the obama-biden ticket dropped three. the impact of the debate seems greater among independents with that voting bloc jumping five points in support of team romney while team obama dropped 7 points. president obama's opinion stayed the same after the debate while gove romney's rose four percentage points. that gives him a one point lead. still when you factor in the margin of error it is still too close to call. how did the president and governor romney did at the debate? both are weighing in. >> well, governor romney i had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> well, it is not the first time i've had a bad night. >> well, obviously the president wasn't happy with the response to our debate last night. >> what's your message to joe biden about tomorrow night? >> well i, you know, i think joe just needs to be joe. jon: joining us now is karl rove, former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and a fox news contributor.

trail. peter doocy is following the big bird scandal. he is in washington. >>> mitt romney pulled ahead in the polls yesterday by 0.7 percent for the first time in almost a year. while he was stumping in iowa following the six electoral votes he said he put so much debate energy into the attacks with big bird. >> these are tough times and serious issues you have to scratch your head with then the president spend the last week talking about saying big bird. i think we need to have a president who talks about saving the american people and saving good jobs and saving our future. >> the obama campaign has a new ad out depicting mitt romney as someone who will put a target on big bird's back while letting wall street criminals like bernie madoff and ken lay do as they please. sesame street workshop which received more than a million dollars in stimulus money in 2010 said they canned i asked te obama campaign to take the ad down. they will review their concerns. president obama is taking his sesame street story to ohio. >> for all of you moms and kids out there don't worry. someone is finall

votes? the latest rasmussen poll shows governor romney leading the president by two points. 49% to 47. larry sabato, author of pendulum swing joins us from charlottesville. good evening, larry. >> good evening, judge. >> good to have you with us tonight. so we had a change there is no question that romney won the debate. the numbers are moving in romney's direction. the money is moving in his direction. what will happen at the town hall? >> well, governor romney has to continue to score big. remember bounces fade. he is getting a bounce. how could he not? 67 million people watched that debate. and show saw the tremendous gap that existed between the two candidates on the stage. as jon stewart said there is no red america, there is no it blue america, this is just an america that agrees that president obama bombed at the debate. and look, judge, to put it into context, four years ago when mccain and obama debated, 5 million tuned in. this was a much larger audience. but romney has to continue the momentum. he has to score big at the two remaining debates to continue the momentum. >> ju

debate for what many said was a poor performance. >> following that show down mitt romney saw a surge in the polls as we are seeing right now. the talk show circuit both campaigns are out in full force talking about the strategies ahead of the debate. previewing what will be a more aggressive approach. listen here. >> i think the president nobody is a harsher critic than himself. he viewed the tape. he will make adjustments on tuesday. i am not going to get into detail about strategic changes that he might make. i encourage you to watch and show up. i think it will be an interesting debate. he will be aggressive in making the case for his view of where we should go as a country in a country that is built around a growing, thriving middle class for t not this top down theory romney has. >>> the debate preparation for mitt romney is talking this morning. he expects the president to take a tougher approach tomorrow. >> i think president obama is going to come out swinging he is going to compensate for a first debate. that's what they are doing for the whole campaign which is runnin

. fox news alert a surge in the polling puttings mitt romney on top in the race for the white house. "pew research poll"ing shows since the debate last week, mitt romney leaping ahead of president obama. what a swing that is, 49-45%. keep in mind that is likely voters too. you have to ask a few more questions to figure out whether you're registered voter or likely voter. likely voter polls are more accurate in the end. look who is back here. martha: hello, everybody. bill: celebrating columbus day. martha: i always do. thank goodness he discovered the country. good morning i'm martha maccallum. mitt romney ahead of the president but wiping out the double digit lead with women voters. you remember what that used to be. bill: republican nominee continues to press on this issue, that's the economy. >> can we afford four more years like the last four years? he wants another stimulus. how did that first one work out? and then, he wants to pick winners and losers among companies, or losers in his case and then, of course he wants to hire more government workers. look, all of these things

post debate campaigning, the poll numbers clearly have now shifted in mitt romney's favor. in the new national poll out from the pew research center, governor romney is now tied with the president. romney trailed in this survey by 9 points before the debate. so that's a big shift toward mitt romney and away from barack obama in that poll. like wise in the new gallup poll, mr. romney polled even with the president after the debate erasing a 5-point advantage for the president. we have new polls from the swing states and near swing states. polls that include reaction to the first debate. in wisconsin today the president leads by just two points. that's according to a relatively left-leaning poll. that particular poll previously showed the president having a 7-point lead before the debate. in colorado, in one right-leaning poll romney is now up by 3 points. the same showed him losing by 5 before the debate. now he's up by 3. in virginia, the president is ahead by 3 in virginia. that same poll had the president's lead at 5 points before the debate. that shows the president's lead shrinkin

romney gaining ground on president obama. a brand-new fox news poll, the governor has gained six points among likely voters since the first debate. he has a one point lead now. that's a statistical tie. but the poll also shows the governor's approval rating jumping four points. he now tops the president by one point there. and this time tomorrow night the running mates will be getting ready for their one and only debate in danville, kentucky. congressman paul ryan arriving late today in the bluegrass state ask said he's looking forward to his prime time faceoff. >> what i'm excited about is we get to offer the american people a very fair choice. joe biden has been on this stage before. he's been on these big stages. it's my first time. but what he can't run is president obama's indefensible record. they're offering a more of the same. >> bill: tonight the obama team is asking this, quoting now, whether congressman ryan will stand by the extreme positions he and governor romney hold or if he'll dishonestly try to hide his positions by telling voters the exact opposite of what he and mitt

debate with governor mitt romney last week. the governor has been gaining ground in the polls ever since. new faye from three key swing states from the "wall street journal" and nbc news. "wall street journal," the parent company of this network, or owned by the parent company. it shows governor romney closing the gap in virginia and ohio, with the president hanging on in florida. less than an hour ago, the tampa bay times and herald newspapers released a poll from florida. it shows governor remain knee opening up a decisive seven-point lead in that poll, which is outside the margin of error. the vice president and congressman ryan say they've been studying and practicing for this. they've dropped a few hints about what we can all expect tonight. >> the thing about congressman ryan is he's been straightforward up to now about everything he has -- all the significant changes he wants to make. we have a fundamentally different view on a whole range of issues. >> joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. but the the achille achille's heel is president oba

last week's debate. the real clear politics average of all polls show mitt romney taking a .7% lead on president obama. the race was this tight a month ago. right after the republican national convention and right before the democratic national convention. we have been here before. the race has followed this pattern for awhile. when mitt romney makes gain, the polls tend to show the candidates tied. but if you listen to right-wingers like ann colter, this race is already over. >> i think it is over. the reason i think it's over, of course, i thought it was over last week and the week before. romney is going to win. the reason he's going to win is this was the most-watched debate since 1980 when ronald reagan ran against carter and there was only one debate that year. >> fox news is pulling out all the stops. check out the electoral prediction map fox trotted out today. look at the red states. they gave mitt romney solid democratic states like new mexico and pennsylvania. really? polls should be a snapshot of the current state of the race and there's no doubt mitt romney is benefitti

buckeye? maybe mitt romney is it in ohio. after being given up for dead a poll shows the presidential race is now basically dead even there, and pat caddell says forget weather the numbers could be rigged this is a trend that is not rigged. you say these inroads of mitt romney appear to be making are real. >> they are big. and everywhere. this is a proving this is a national election. if the last two days in pennsylvania and michigan, two states everyone said were over, there have been two polls in each state showing a race three or two points for obama from 10 or 12. everything is happening across the board because a national election. the debate was a national real event. romney, who had been demonized by the obama attack machine, successfully, by the way, gets up there and is able to dispell it, the one thing that debate did, and he was good and he solved two things, he wasn't an ogre and he had ideas. >>neil: there was only one carter reagan debate and there was not a chance for cater to come back and prove himself. there are two more tunes for the president. >>guest: he is the ot

. >>> there's your bounce, the pew poll propels mitt romney. >>> kentucky derby, all eyes turn to the bluegrass state. how much pressure faces paul ryan. and this morning, former penn state football coach jerry sandusky finds out if he'll spend the rest of his life in prison on 45 counts of child sex abuse, he already put out a taped statement denying it all. we'll have the latest from the courthouse as soon as it happens. it is happening within minutes there in pennsylvania. >>> good morning from washington, it's four weeks until election day, tuesday, october 10. will romney serve in national polling translate into gains where it really matters t battleground states, the mimpb battleground states of iowa, wisconsin and ohio. romney will not be president unless he can put these states in play. in a new pew poll conducted since wednesday. just last month in the same poll, romney trailed by eight points. driving romney surge, a spike in republican enthusiasm, more republicans made it through pew's likely voter screen than democrats. and a larger group of registered voters, the candidat

romney campaign. new polling in battleground states tonight, the latest cnn/orc survey in ohio done entirely after the first debate, now showing a four point obama lead. that's a statistical tie. it is a significant change from the seven to ten point lead the president enjoyed before the debate. new polling as well from sienna college that shows a statistical tie in pennsylvania. that's based on surveys done both before and after the debate and nationally in gallup's daily tracking poll which covers october 2nd through the 8th, mitt romney now holds a two point edge. today, gallup shifted from registered to likely voters, which tends to favor republicans. that said, though, it is hard to find any evidence, any evidence that president obama escaped denver without at least some damage. the only question being how severe and how long-lasting. that seems hard to dispute. just as it's hard to dispute that prior to the debate, mr. romney was getting hammered in the polls. keeping them honest though, disputing or downplaying the obvious, that's what campaigns do on both sides. >> it's not

. meanwhile, a new pew research poll shows romney leading by 4 points. this race is tightening. things are moving, gist like mitt romney. suddenly he loves covering people with pre-existing conditions and suddenly mr. romney is ignoring the fact that his tax plan is a give away to the rich. the only problem, that's not the mr. romney who's running for president and this weekend newt gingrich, one of his top surrogates let the cat out of the bag. >> standing on the stage with you in arizona, this is what mitt romney said. number one, i said today we're going to cut taxes on everyone across the country by 20%, including the top 1%. mr. speaker, you mentioned that your opponent, mitt romney, had a problem with being dishonest and the primary of my question is, was he dishonest when he said that? >> i think it's clear he changed. >> clearly he's changed. another romney surrogate even admitted it. >> that's all you're seeing here. it's very typical. we we strong conservatives understand that. it's campaign strategy. >> it's typical. just campaign strategy. that's all you're seeing h

is a flat-out liar. governor romney, of course, is experiencing polling momentum, and he is trying to build upon that with a foreign policy speech that he gave at the virginia military institute just an hour ago. president obama come in the meantime is in california on a campaign tour. the last 72 hours come we have seen a growing tide of political ads and remarks from campaign officials and surrogates with one central theme. mitt romney is a liar. here is a sample. >> are you saying that governor romney lied or was dishonest? >> yes, i think he was dishonest am absolutely. >> many people are pointing out what a liar mitt romney is. if he was talking are speaking last night, he was lying. >> you know, i think that we expected an aggressive debater to show up last night. we did not expect an aggressively dishonest debater to show it. and that is what we got with mitt romney. >> many people are saying that what they saw was that governor romney that they have known all along and has been the problem in the past and they haven't seen that person. that he finally emerged during the deb

energized this time around. that's the word they are using now. polls show governor romney got a boost from first debate performance, no question. his campaign is obviously looking to keep that trend going. one of his senior advisors says tomorrow the romney team expects the president to, quote: launch one attack after another in an attempt to distract from his record and make up for his weak performance in denver. however, the format of tomorrow's debate could make that pretty difficult. you see, it's a town hall with both men answering questions that are submitted by the audience. so they may have fewer opportunities to actually take direct jabs at one another. but, you can bet governor romney will be looking for any chance to hammer home about the president and the attack on our consulate in libya and how the administration handled it we'll have more on that with ed henry who is tonight in williamsburg, virginia where the president has been practicing for tomorrow. he will have all the details. first, let's get to carl cammeron in new york tonight. tell us how both sides have been gettin

impact of governor mitt romney's debate performance. polls show the gap between romney and president obama is narrowing most note ably in some very important swing states. let's talk about it with ed rollins and juan williams joining us to talk with the new numbers. welcome to you both. >> glad to be he with you. >> shannon: juan, let's start with ohio. after the debate we had a poll out this was from the rasmussen report. they have barack obama 50% and mitt romney 49% and this is among likely ohio voters. seems to be a tightening in voters in ohio and everybody knows that is a crucial state. >> that is the whole kit and kaboodle. the path would be difficult if he does not win, ohio. rasmussen is a little bit of outliar here. more like 45. >> 49.36. >> so three. what you are seeing here is rasmussen is a little bit ahead of the curve. if he is in fact on his daily polling picking up something that is really good news for mitt romney. >> shannon: ed, what do you think, should the romney camp take it with a bit of cautious optimism? >> they shouldn't at all. execute their game plan. de

and the next big showdown only days away. new poll numbers show governor romney with a post-debate bump. paul ryan getting ready for the faceoff against joe biden in the next big debate. i'm bill hemmer here. martha has the day off. >> i'm patti ann browne in for mart maing that -- martha maccallum. a veteran political strategist says joe biden will be going for the throat. >> they will be pouring cola down his throat. they will react. because they will have a couple days of bad polling. ryan has very impressive but hasn't done this before. biden who is high-wire act in attack mode which is not always his normal place. bill: joe cola. fox news contributor, good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: you believe this is huge opportunity for romney-ryan, why? >> it is. romney set the stage for the dominant victory over the president in the first presidential debate. that changed the story of the whole campaign. if you have ryan defeating the vice president joe biden it would really create a story of obama-biden on the ropes. and, romney-ryan on the move. bill: the way mike murp

sell the cheaper winter blind. steve? >> steve: fill her up. brand new national polls show mitt romney ahead of president obama. he got himself a bump. cue the attacks. a week ago paul rhine was asked to explain the math of a tax cut and he said i don't have time. governor mitt romney had a massive performance and the underpenings of that was dishonest f. you are willing to say anything to get elect make up your positions, american people have to understand how they can elect you. >> steve: is calling mitt romney and ryan a good strategy. here to weigh in is washington insider amelia and democrat pollster marjorie. good morning to both of you. >> margey. it does sound like according to the new york times, 10 minutes before the end of the debate they were on a conference call talking about he stunk up the place. we'll have to go full steam ahead on a new attack and that is going to be romney is a liar. >> any time you hear mitt romney express different position than the day before it is for voters to know. we would be talking about mitt romney's loose interpretation of the facts regardl

pugh poll has romney head slightly beyond the margin of error. we were talking about the ones who are ex steamily likely to vote. romney among all the voters are extremely likely to vote, is up by 6 and three weeks ago he was down by 3. that's a nine-point swing among people who surely will be out there on election day. so i think right now the race is tied with romney still, i think, having some of the momentum from the debate and i think the rest of this story will be determined by the remaining debates. >> brian: i think what's interesting is that not only did he move ahead in most of the polls, and almost everybody, including president obama agrees that he lost debate. president obama has done after and all his people calling him a liar is unprecedented. >> steve: that's desperate. >> brian: it's not with a reagan did after he lost or george bush. i went back and asked the brain room what were some of the quotes. they were like we lost, but he's a better debater. not you're a liar and performer. having said that, there is a change in tone. personal stories. the foreign policy

the united states. >> reporter: new polls show this race is tightening. romney is ted to be leading 49% to the president's 48%. while politico finds romney ahead 50-48%. the real clear politics average of several polls puts the polls at 47% for each candidate with only .1% difference. experts now say there is no room for debate mistakes. >> they are being taught that, in sessions right as we speak. >> reporter: presidential historian steven hess of the brookings institution served in both the nixon and eisenhower terms. he said president obama must appear more engaged. >> he has to work against that. that is very important for him. that is the easiest thing to do, is not show up the way he showed up in denver. >> reporter: hess said mitt romney has now raised expectations. >> now the shoe is on the other food and now he has to worry about living up to expectations and the next day's story is not just obama did better. >> reporter: and with the race so tight, both campaigns are facing the second debate which could hold either promise or pitfalls. now out of one particular matter, bot

. the poll that came out today has obama 51, governor romney at 46. that is the nbc pool. it's going to be close in ohio. i mean, i would be foolish if i told you it was not going to be an incredibly close election, and that's why, you know, both teams, both candidates are working ohio. governor romney has been there frequently. the vice president has been there frequent leave. ohio i think can and will be perhaps the fire wall. but it's an exciting time. ohioans are engaged and involved but americans are. i'm really happy that there seems to be such wide-spread interest in this campaign. bill: would i agree with you, right on, and we should be too. the "real clear politics" average, when you put all the polls together in ohio has about a 1.5 point spread at the moment between president obama and governor romney. thank you for your time. you come back any time, all right? >> i'll take a point and a half. thank you. >> thank you for your time. i'm going to bring in senator pat toomey out of pennsylvania. good morning to you too also there in danville. >> thanks for having me. >> what

the polls at all? >> we'll have to see. stakes are higher because the momentum is going in the romney direction, so a lot of people are going to watch this as where the race could be going. it gives ryan a chance once again to call biden out on the fact that he wants to raise trillions of dollars in taxes and he wants to talk about why is the middle-class has done poorly over the last four years during the obama administration. i do think it will be game changer. >> heather: thank you so much for joining us. thank you very much. a reminder we are five days away from the first and only debate and fox news, between ryan and biden will talk about foreign and domestic policy. we will have live coverage beginning at 8:55 p.m. >> the man accused of murdering trayvon martin cartin cars laws. what producers did that made him sound like a racist in his infamous 911 call. >> heather: a simple t-shirt supporting governor romney sets off a series of events. a student kicked out of class just for wearing this shirt. they say the fallout just won't stop. and those well grounded. for what's around t

state. the new pew poll know shows governor romney ahead among likely voters. it's the latest dose of reality for the obama camp in a race that is evolving with only weeks left until election day. joining me for our daily fix, chris cizilla, msnbc contributor and managing editor o of postpolitics.com and mark halperin for "time" and msnbc. joining us from chicago. chris cizilla, first of all to you, the new polls certainly have given a great burst of energy to mitt romney's campaign. >> no question. i would say and we said this when there was polling that had president obama up eight, nine, ten points nationally, let's see where it sorts out at the end of the week or beginning of next week. if you are mitt romney, this is -- the pew poll yesterday was huge news because a lot of what happens here at the end and we are 28 days away, is momentum based. for folks who haven't made their mind up yet you want to look like you're the guy with the momentum. coming off the debate and the pew poll you now can make the case that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm c

that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm candidate. i think some polls will come out in places like ohio, virginia, north carolina, florida, hopefully some independent polls in the next few days that i think will get the measure of how much bounce mitt romney got. if those polls suggest him really closing the margin in those states then i think the romney campaign is really on to something. national polling is great and they're happy to have it, but really the problem they have had in the last six weeks, two months, is electoral vote in the swing states. they need those numbers to move. >> and we are going to have our nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist polls in florida, ohio, and virginia coming out first thing thursday morning. mark you're in chicago, which tells me you've probably been doing a lot of reporting. what are they saying at the obama headquarters? >> well, andrea, i came straight here from the headquarters where i sat down with some of the top officials on the campaign and talked through where we are today. and i want to state this carefu

commitment has never been stronger. ♪ >>> gallup's daily tracking poll puts mitt romney leading president obama 2% right now. gallup is one of dozens of polls published every week. the polls at a dizzying speed are enough to drive a person insane. no one, including myself can seem to look away. republicans question or rather freaked out over several polls released prior to the presidential debate with a sizable lead of president obama over mitt romney. >> that begs the question, are these polls dishonest? >> no. look, we endow them with a false scientific precision. >> these polls, i don't pay attention to them schblgt polling is good at saying how you are going to vote. it's bad how who is going to vote. the models are crazy. >> the two polls are designed to convince everybody the election is over. >> democrats engaged in polling earlier this week questioning the methodology of the poll put romney up four points over barack obama. both parties have a tortured emotional lelationship with polling. why do we continue to listen? more importantly, what are the polls actually telling

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healthy. >> gretchen: we are watching the race flip upside down with new polls show mitt romney pulling ahead. here is a look at the pough research poll. the president's lead has vanished. the president's lead is erased with women voters that he is now tide with mitt romney. here to explainn what is happening. dick morris, former advisor to president obama and his new book is here comes the black helicopters and un governance and loss of freedom. >> thank you. >> gretchen: the game changing situation of this debate is astounding? >> yes, the media is spinning as obama lost and i think mitt romney won. you think about it. american people never had a good look at mitt romney. the last republican debate was in january or february and many independent and democrats didn't watch the republican convention and many of the democrats and independents didn't tune in and romney that is characterized as a fearsome creature, they saw the real romney and what a reasonable nice guy he is and level head good ideas, i think the country liked him and that is a bond like the one reagan established